(01-11-2020, 12:19 PM)Emmi Smith Wrote: Is it correct that some iPhones cannot accept this track and trace app? I read something somewhere that anything below iphone7 can not do so?
Many older phones are limited by not being able to update to the most recent operating system software, iOS14. iPhone 7 and older cannot be updated past iOS13. However, the Radar app supposedly works with iOS13, so it should be okay. Be warned that it may deplete your battery, however, especially on an older phone.
(01-11-2020, 12:08 PM)Sam Wrote: Not mental at all Ducks. I have similar views on privacy. Because of that, the only iPhone I've ever owned was the very first version, mostly due to the lack of other options at the time. Can't really help with the firewall option. Also, if you're planning to keep the Bluetooth on, the best way would be a €50 'burner' phone. 🤔
Will do, Sam. I prefer iOS simply because I trust Apple infinitely more than Google or any of the handset makers, though I fully accept that your ability to do your own blocking is more limited than on an Android. I don't trust my technical know-how not to let me down, though!
It will be interesting to see how this is handled. They can't mandate people to have something that's technically impossible for some— you may not have a phone capable of it, or even a phone at all, and you can certainly forget or choose not to bring your phone with you to places. To get around this, Singapore handed out physical Bluetooth tokens like little keyrings for people to use if they couldn't get or refused the app. However, I don't believe they were mandatory. AFAIK, China was the only country to insist on the use of QR codes and tracking apps to gain access to shops and facilities. But China is a very different demographic with a heavy reliance on phones for things like payments, and not just in the under 30s, and also has a far more authoritarian government with stronger powers than anything we deal with here.
There is, IMO, no way that an EU nation like Spain is going to Police tracking of its citizens or visitors in this manner without a huge change in national and international policy, as well as a provision for those who cannot afford or operate a smartphone capable of running the app. If you are stopped by a policeman on the street and he asks to see the app, "I do not have a smart phone" or "I left my phone at home" (if true) is a perfectly legal answer. They would have to introduce huge changes for it to be otherwise.
And, to the best of my knowledge, they have absolutely zero legal right to legislate what is on your phone once you arrive back in your own country, so the "visitors should keep the app on their phone for 15 days after returning home" part is beyond unenforceable.
What is likely, IMO, is that this ruling serves two purposes: to try to have something else to fine people for if they are caught breaking other rules (house parties, mask non-compliance, etc.), and to encourage as many people as possible to download the apps, because they do work better the more people have them. However, I've been overly optimistic with this bloody COVID thing before, so we will have to wait and see what happens as the situation develops.
I agree this is not going to be as easy as they think. I have a husband who will not under any circumstances have a phone, he was asked at work to have one and he refused saying they can call me anytime at night to go into work with him being an engineer and he still feels the same maybe he doesn’t want me to get hold of him!!!! I had to register him to come via e.mail and have his QR code sent to my phone it worked out alright to get here.
I also feel it will deter people booking not because of the cost of a test but the repercussions if any one of a family test positive two days before they are to go on a family holiday, no tour company or airline is going to refund a family two days before they are fly.
This island needs tourists badly everywhere is quiet , it is so sad but the people who rushed to book in November when quarantine ended will cancel and change their booking for a later date and maybe even change their destination.
If this goes on for 2yrs like the Spanish Flu tourism will struggle to get back to normal, i know of several people who have told me they are not going abroad again, and some won’t even mix with people at all , i think a new strategy is needed but what i don’t know.
02-11-2020, 05:21 PM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2020, 05:23 PM by FVmouse.)
I agree with virtually all sentiments expressed above.
However, don’t underestimate the determination of many states around the world to at least try to enforce increasingly draconian technological measures. It is clear to me that power has gone to the heads of leaders at all levels of society from Prime Ministers down to local councillors and they won’t give up their control without a fight.
I have always been against political devolution. It just leads to an abdication of responsibility, more snouts in the trough, more depressing mediocrity at best and more mini-megalomaniacs. Will Nicola Sturgeon or Mark Drakeford ever stop having daily press conferences I wonder ....
The Canary Islands Government have confirmed today that proof of a negative test result from tourists will be required from Saturday 14th November, to check in to holiday accommodation.
This means that any tourist from any country staying in holiday accommodation in a hotel, aparthotel, apartment complex, rural hotel, timeshare complex, hostel, or any property with a VV classification (Vivienda Vacacional), MUST have a negative test result to stay in the accommodation.
If someone turns up without one, the accommodation operator can turn them away and refuse admission, or direct them to get a test locally and the guest has to isolate in the room until they have the negative result.
It is to the advantage of the tourist to get the test and stay in licenced holiday accommodation, as they are then also covered by the Canaries COVID insurance which covers hospital bills due to COVID-19, and even repatriation if needed.
Residents of the Canary Islands do not need a test to stay in holiday accommodation, but have to sign a legal document to say that they have not been out of the islands in the previous 15 days.
Also tourists on twin centre holidays do not need a second test for the second accommodation of their holiday as they can prove when they arrived on the island and have a copy of the negative from when they arrived.
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(02-11-2020, 09:43 PM)Captain Sensible Wrote: A poster (in English) published by the Gobierno de Canarias about the requirement:
Wonder how long the tests people taking here will take, and what they will cost? I'm guessing they will be cheaper than a private test in the UK as things here generally are... But they will also have an absolutely captive market, so that might push fees up a bit!
By the way, anyone holding an Irish passport should not have to worry about additional COVID cover provided by the islands. Your EHIC should definitely cover you. It also continues to be valid for UK residents to the end of the year.
Unsurprisingly, your usual travel/private health insurance may not cover you to its usual degree or may not cover you at all owing to the DFA's "avoid non-essential travel" status. So, if you're coming from Ireland, make sure you have an EHIC (European Health Insurance Card), and make sure to bring it. You are covered even without it, but it will speed the process up and prevent hoop-jumping and problems. There's probably no real point getting one now if you're from the UK, but if you do have one, bring it along as it will be valid until Dec 31st!
Hope everyone who wants to get out before the UK lockdown comes into force is able to do so. We just squeaked out of Ireland before ours came in, and we would have been very miserable if we'd had plans to come out and had been forced to stay there for weeks!
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