(23-04-2020, 10:46 PM)milestone11 Wrote: Interesting read in Onda Fuerteventura. Original Spanish version here.
A tickled with Google translation.
Quote:The Canary Islands will make a proposal to Pedro Sánchez, this Sunday, a plan to start on Monday - April 27 - the partial de-escalation of the confinement established to fight the coronavirus pandemic, as explained by La Provincia.
The regional government's approach consists of four phases to be carried out in four weeks and would start with a process to allow the population's access to the street divided into two groups: people who are domiciled in houses located in even numbers could go out on even days and those who live in houses with odd numbers on odd days of the calendar - in a maximum of three people together or the family that lives together.
In addition, the Archipelago plan suggests that children under the age of 14 can go from 16:00 to 19:00. In the first phase they cannot go to parks. Then it will be reconsidered. In the case of the elderly, they will be allowed to leave their houses from 11:00 to 13:00.
Access to second residences would be limited, from the outset, for animal care or orchards on individual trips.
The Canarian project also suggests that outdoor sports can be carried out at two times: from 5.00 to 9.00 or from 20.00 to 23.00. This permit establishes that you can walk a maximum of two kilometers from your home and run a maximum of four kilometers from your home. The gyms will be able to open, from the second week, with limited capacity and you can go hiking one hour away from home - at most.
The population should always wear a mask if they are going to enter closed spaces - not for running or walking. In addition, public events of more than 50 people cannot be held and the cinemas and theaters may open for fifty spectators or a third of the capacity - in separate rows and seats.
The hotels will be able to open from the second week with a 50% capacity and the presence of people in funeral homes is expanded to 10 family members.
Small businesses, during the first week, may open with limited capacity. The plan recommends not to go shopping, but to a specific store. In the case of shopping centers, they can be started from the second week.
The activity of the hairdressers will be activated during the first week, although the clients will have to come with masks.
Access to the beach will be considered from the second week to allow it in weeks three and four with conditions: maximum one hour from home and keeping distance.
The opening of the restaurants in the Canary Islands is projected for the last two weeks of the plan and they can only admit 50% of capacity - always with a reservation and for no more than four people per table.
On May 18 you could travel between islands and there is no fixed date for the opening of the Islands for tourists or non-residents, although it is established that people who want to enter the Canary Islands must certify a negative PCR upon leaving their place of origin. Otherwise, you must spend 14 days confined when entering the Archipelago.
I don't have a clue how they intend policing my bolded part. Light at the end of the tunnel? Maybe. Too soon? Maybe. I guess we'll find out.
The same way they'll Police any of it. Are they going to ask for proof of address from every person on every beach to make sure they're not more than an hour's drive from home? They're going to hope that people will generally follow the regulations, and make an example of anyone obviously having a laugh.
The one that really gets me is this:
Quote:This permit establishes that you can walk a maximum of two kilometers from your home and run a maximum of four kilometers from your home.
So if you're walking 3km from home and you see a Police car, just speed up a bit and they won't be able to nick you?
There's going to be no foolproof way to do this, but this isn't a terrible plan: it'll allow people to slowly ease back into normal life while still keeping the public spaces empty enough that we might be able to maintain some distancing. Looking forward to being able to get out for a walk! I'll take opposite days over nothing.
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If it goes ahead, and that's a big if, I'm glad I live in an odd numbered house, means I can go out on 31st and 1st 😂
Seriously though, lots of houses just have names, especially in the rural areas, can see it leading to a lot of confusion.
I agree it's a reasonable plan but it will be a nightmare to communicate and keep everyone aware, residents and Police, week on week, on what they can/can't do.
Personally still think it's a bit too soon for travel between islands and opening hotels. I know the economy is heavily reliant on tourism but I can't see how they would have enough bookings, inter Island, to make this economically viable. As for international travel, no way until all departure countries have the virus controlled. Same goes for travellers from mainland Spain. Otherwise I can see us being back as square one!
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It’s a really hard one. The island has done great up to now compared to a lot of other places. The lockdown has been extreme but necessary. From here on will be just as difficult, if not more so. I completely agree that the economy needs to get started again asap. The island is SO dependant on tourism & an enormous amount of damage has been done to it so far. Personally, I think it is an almost insurmountable problem to try & juggle gradual release with increasing commerce & tourism while avoiding another spike before we have a viable vaccine BUT conversely I don’t think the economy would survive a wait for that vaccine. Who knows !!!
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(24-04-2020, 01:52 AM)Ducks Wrote: The one that really gets me is this:
Quote:This permit establishes that you can walk a maximum of two kilometers from your home and run a maximum of four kilometers from your home.
So if you're walking 3km from home and you see a police car, just speed up a bit and they won't be able to nick you? 
I was going to ask. If you get tired and slow down will they stop you? Will they use radar guns to decide if it's a run or a fast walk?
Can you do laps?
I know one woman who walks faster than most people I know run. She'd love that rule.
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https://www.canarianweekly.com/central-g...ent-plans/
Looks like the Canaries hope that people getting out has been scuppered by the Spanish government. The whole road map that the Canary government wanted to follow has been binned by the Spanish health ministry.
Be interesting to see what happens if the Canarians follow the "instructions" of the Spanish Health Ministry or the "advice" of the Canarian government.
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Who the hell do these Canarians think they are - Sanchez.
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Found this;
http://www.canarianweekly.com/?p=53832
Not very good at this i'm afraid. Not sure if I've got it right.
Can it be read on the forum?
Spanish Government says No De-escalation yet, too soon !!! Anywhere, including the Canaries.
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Very confusing article! It says the process will be "asymmetric" (ie not the same everywhere), but then strongly states that the autonomous regions will not be able to make the decisions on their own, and lists a bunch of very stringent conditions which must be met prior to de-escalation that I cannot see mainland Spain for a long, long time.
Perhaps they are going to allow us to come out of lockdown sooner, just as long as they are the ones who get to decide when and how? That's all I can infer from "asymmetric but no intention to delegate authority to the communities". We definitely won't be seeing anything before May 9th, but hopefully after that they will be able to ease back slowly.
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25-04-2020, 07:29 PM
(This post was last modified: 25-04-2020, 07:30 PM by Captain Sensible.)
Pedro Sanchez has said today that if all goes well this week with adults walking out with children, and there is not a rise in infections, then everyone will be allowed out to walk and exercise from May 2nd.
The Council of Ministers are meeting on Monday to discuss the de-escalation plan.
https://noticiasfuerteventura.com/fuerte...-2-de-mayo
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(25-04-2020, 07:29 PM)Captain Sensible Wrote: Pedro Sanchez has said today that if all goes well this week with adults walking out with children, and there is not a rise in infections, then everyone will be allowed out to walk and exercise from May 2nd.
That's not giving a lot of time for any infections caused by that easing to show up! I'm as eager to get back to normality as anyone, but there simply will not be time enough to know whether or not allowing people out with their kids will increase infections as a lot of infections won't show up by May 2nd.
I don't actually think it will cause a huge increase, not as long as people follow the distancing measures, but if they're counting on this as a test run, they're not giving nearly enough time to see the results.
Would love to think we'd be allowed out to exercise in a week, though. Very fed up of being cooped up in the house 24/7!
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