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Applying for your Residencia: How To
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Whilst the EX18 form uses the word Residencia it is rather misleading. 

As far as I am aware this form is to satisfy an EU directive requiring (or maybe only encouraging) non-residents of a particular EU country who plan on spending more than 90 consecutive days in that country to register with the local Police. Whether the added healthcare and €6000 requirements are Europe wide, imposed by Spain or even unnecessary/illegal is unclear.

There is only one sort of Residency in any EU country, namely Fiscal Residency and this is determined by the country where you pay your tax on your worldwide income and assets. The rules determining which country should be used for this can be complex but there needs to be good reasons to convince the authorities why it shouldn’t simply be the country where one spends 183 days in a year.

I have heard of people who have lived in Spain permanently for years but who continue to pay their taxes in the U.K. Either they have never applied for Fiscal Residency in Spain even though they should have done, or they have applied for such Residency but are not paying their taxes to the correct country. I doubt these people would have much recourse should Spain decide to regard and treat them as non-Fiscally Resident. 

Any suggestion that applying for the 90 day “Residencia” precludes a homeowner from filling out a Spanish non-resident tax form for their property is incorrect. All homeowners are required to fill out a Spanish tax form each year, either a non-resident one for their property or a full blown resident one for their entire income and assets. Which one depends on their Fiscal Residency.

All this is pretty obvious and being brutally honest anything else is looking for dodgy loopholes to avoid paying one’s taxes. Never a good strategy in my experience. If you spend more than half your time in a particular country or if you spend less time than this but your “focus” can be proved to be in that particular country then you really should be paying your taxes to that government (fairness, common sense), rather than anywhere else ....

I suspect that some UK nationals who are homeowners in Spain are applying for the 90 day “Residencia” in advance of Brexit in the hope that it provides some sort of insurance policy. For those of pension age who do not require paid-for health insurance there’s is very little downside to this strategy even though I suspect it will have zero benefit. Fiscal Residency with a few years of income tax payments will obviously be far more valuable in determining any “leave to remain” post Brexit.
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#12
Thanks FVmouse. Pretty much my take on it. If you don't pay your taxes here, you shouldn't be taking the benefits. So, from  my point of view, no benefit apart from placating the local plod (who don't seem interested anyway!).

I also agree, that scrambling to get the Residencia (not the fiscal one) before Brexit will buy you no benefit, in my view.

Thanks for straightening this out.

Note to self: Don't forget to pay my non-resident tax again!!
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Hi Archer,

I emphasise that it is obviously only my suspicion that gaining the 90 day Residencia will have no benefit post Brexit. But I clearly cannot be sure, hence my comment that there seems little downside in doing so for those of pension age who do not need to pay for private healthcare first. There is clearly a small admin fee, some other small costs and some time spent applying but that is all.

As for those below pension age, I suspect the cost of the private healthcare required to gain 90 day Residencia will not be worth any perceived benefit as regards “rights to stay” post Brexit. Once again this is purely a suspicion on my part which is unfortunate as this is precisely my situation. If I really thought it would make any difference post Brexit then I would go down this route myself just in case.

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Hi Archer,

I emphasise that it is obviously only my suspicion that gaining the 90 day Residencia will have no benefit post Brexit. But I clearly cannot be sure, hence my comment that there seems little downside in doing so for those of pension age who do not need to pay for private healthcare first. There is clearly a small admin fee, some other small costs and some time spent applying but that is all.

As for those below pension age, I suspect the cost of the private healthcare required to gain 90 day Residencia will not be worth any perceived benefit as regards “rights to stay” post Brexit. Once again this is purely a suspicion on my part which is unfortunate as this is precisely my situation. If I really thought it would make any difference post Brexit then I would go down this route myself just in case.

FVmouse
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The article on this link:
https://www.spanishpropertyinsight.com/t...residence/
is the best one I have found to date as it is easy to understand.  

At times I have been Resident and ordinarily Resident, 
And
Resident but not ordinarily Resident in different EU countries.  It is a little more complex than we think at times.
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Thanks Sam
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Possibly of interest:-
I have my certificado de registro.
I was not asked for any details of Money in either UK or Spain at the application.
UK tax man still wants my Money as I have a house in the UK where we go to hide in August when the music fest is on in Cotillo. 
Tried to sort out tax with Tributaria in Rosario.They said just pay Non res tax!!
Local bank messed up my NRT on my separate garage,basically it never reached the tributaria, I had an an email from them and then it was taken directly from my bank account.only E10
Admittedly I do have an electronic key but I was not aware of giving "permission" BUT I may have misread the email.
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I would just like to add a big thank you to Cotillo Tom for the informative post on Residencia. My wife and I followed his intructikns and were in and out of the Police office yesterday in less than 15 minutes without any problems and with our green cards in hand.
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I think you also need to take to Police at least two or three passport size photos.?  Is this correct and where can they be done in Caleta or Puerto ?
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Re photos. In Rosario, opposite the Police Station there is a little shop that does passport / licence photos, sorry can't remember the name, but it's on the corner of the street
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