Coronavirus in Fuerteventura - Discussion

[milestone 11]

That's nothing new and the case anywhere in the world. Not enough tests, resources, etc.

Most places are showing testing figures, not here. I'd rather know the truth.

[TamaraEnLaPlaya]

I would like to know the origin, if known, of these cases. Are they seemingly random which is worrying? Or are they all/mainly people who have returned home here from abroad? Are the new cases house mates/relatives of other cases?

I can understand that the authorities don't want to ostracise families/towns etc but if we knew the cases were all traceable it would provide a little reassurance.

[Ducks]

I'd like to know that too, but ultimately the safest course of action is to assume that it is loose in the population, and that anyone you interact with might have it. 

An enormous number of people (potentially 30%) who have the disease are asymptomatic, meaning that they have zero awareness of their condition. Lots of these people are going about their daily life without taking any preventative measures because they genuinely don't know they pose a danger to others. There was one positive case on the island long before the shut-down who could have infected any number of people who were carriers but asymptomatic, and went around infecting others. You could have a chain of three asymptomatic people from the original infected person passing the virus along silently until it reaches number four, who shows symptoms, gets tested, and finally adds +1 to the case count on the island, but it's not a genuine reflection of how bad the infection rate here really is. 

Assume everyone you come into contact with is a carrier, and behave accordingly. Hell, for best results, assume you're infected. 

Limit interaction. Keep your distance. Wash your hands. Cover your mouth.

[Archer]

Oxford University, in collaboration with some others, have published a report in the ft, yesterday, that suggest that 50% of the UK population has already had it, since it was around much EARLIER than thought. Possibly January.

The antibody test kit is to help prove/disprove this theory and decide who is safe to wander the streets!

Like Ducks, I also assume everyone has it!

[Robbo]

... but ultimately the safest course of action is to assume that it is loose in the population, and that anyone you interact with might have it. 

Assume everyone you come into contact with is a carrier, and behave accordingly. 

I have a bit of a problem with this. Despite all the stuff  we've heard in the UK about compassion and unity, there's a more insidious line being peddled IMO; other people are an existential threat. Stay away from them. Don't interact with them, and minimise contact time if you have to interact. Get supplies before them. Their survival directly threatens yours...

Whether you view this as sensible advice or paranoia can be a fine line...

[Spitfire58]

Hi Robbo,
Don’t agree with this scenario at all really. Yes, you will always get undesirable types that look at everyone else as below them in the food chain. I think though that it has been shown all around the world that people (in the best way they can under the circumstances) are looking out for their family, friends & the wider community as much as is possible.
Personally, I think we are all in a precarious position at this time & implying this type of thing is not helpful.

[Will]

I don't think he is saying it's advice. Just that the idea of social distancing is to stay away from other people. The implication being that other people are potential virus carriers. 

Ask yourself if somebody near you sneezes or cough has the reaction of people changed?

[Jason W]

... but ultimately the safest course of action is to assume that it is loose in the population, and that anyone you interact with might have it. 

Assume everyone you come into contact with is a carrier, and behave accordingly. 

I have a bit of a problem with this. Despite all the stuff  we've heard in the UK about compassion and unity, there's a more insidious line being peddled IMO; other people are an existential threat. Stay away from them. Don't interact with them, and minimise contact time if you have to interact. Get supplies before them. Their survival directly threatens yours...

Whether you view this as sensible advice or paranoia can be a fine line...

We all like to think of ourselves as compassionate, rational beings and today most of us are, but what about tomorrow? US gun purchases increased dramatically a couple of weeks back according to press reports. Our UK Govt are acutely aware of the wider implications of all the measures being taken. The safest course of action is to avoid being in a position where you have to make a call that you may regret. The longer this goes on the more desperate the situation for many, hopefully none of us posting to or watching this forum will feel that level of pain but many will. Time may come when Govts have to make a a call to lift restrictions on movement.

[Johnrgby]

I don't think he is saying it's advice. Just that the idea of social distancing is to stay away from other people. The implication being that other people are potential virus carriers. 

Ask yourself if somebody near you sneezes or cough has the reaction of people changed?

The best piece of advice I took from Ducks post is:

... for best results, assume you're infected.

Last week (in the UK) a lady tripped and felt down on the pavement. In less than five seconds there were seven of us around her, ready to help. We all forgot about the social distancing rule in a split second. I don't think people changed their attitude towards another human being that much.

I do not believe people can Sam for most of us it is instinctively the right thing to do.

[Lorena]

From FuerteventuraHoy. Today I have used google translate.

Cabildo, Blas Acosta, considers that the situation of the island against the corononavirus "is not bad" but calls not to let his guard down

The president of the Cabildo of Fuerteventura, Blas Acosta, announced on Monday the arrival for this Wednesday of 50,000 PCR tests, the most reliable, on the island of Fuerteventura, as well as the purchase by the island entity of 6,000 nasopharyngeal swabs to facilitate tests rapid diagnoses, which will be delivered to the General Hospital of Fuerteventura.

The 50,000 highly reliable PCR tests come after the coordination work carried out between the Majorero Council and the Canary Islands Government to guarantee the stock of medical equipment on the island of Fuerteventura to deal with incidents caused by the COVID-19.


A health incident that until now has not exceeded the less optimistic forecasts that the island institution made from the first minute, which has prepared the island's response to more serious scenarios with the coronoavirus than those that have occurred today. "Frankly, and with due caution, those of Fuerteventura are not bad data," said the president, who called not to let his guard down in any case and take the restrictions "very seriously" so as not to have to lengthen this situation of exceptionality.

As far as the Alarm State has been active, the State Security Forces and Corps have drawn up more than 200 sanctions acts on the island of Fuerteventura, which is why the island president sent a message to those who do not respect the confinement rules. or look for excuses to skip them. "I am not going to ask all those people to do it for the good of others if they don't want to: stay home, even if it is only for their own good," he said.


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Faced with the increase in restrictions approved by the central government at a general level as of this Monday the 30th, the island president guaranteed that all management of the Cabildo de Fuerteventura that had been carried out in these weeks "is considered essential services", so the Cabildo will continue to provide its services as before.

The insular president dedicated a few words to "all those who have lost someone", not necessarily due to coronaviruses, "and have been unable to properly watch over or say goodbye" to their loved ones due to the restrictions, as well as "those who altruistically they are collaborating to help others ”as is the case of the group of 3D printers that manufacture protective visors from their homes and that have already produced close to 500 united